Is your name Yukio on world 11? You guys are in the same braindead frame of mind.
There wasn't a fallacy in his statement as far as I could tell, Ob1Wan. What Ice said was that instead of fighting your battles, your tribe prefers to recruit their enemies. Even, based on what DC said, going as far as to issue Ice an invitation more than once.
Just because someone denies your request to join them, doesn't mean you didn't attempt to recruit everyone. It seems you're using the Omerta method of trying to win the world. Recruit everyone for padding, eat them when they go inactive, avoid warring at all costs.
I can't help but notice, only 3 messages, and they are all here. I can easily say the same thing about the people in WTF by your logic and say wow everyone in WTF must be drones without a day of english class behind them. However I am not that blind and this is obviously an isolated incident. I'm sorry you are failing to comprehend what has been said and can only hope you can learn from this experience.
Perhaps a grammatical fallacy, but certainly not a logical fallacy, Ob1Wan. The logic behind Ice's statement was very clear and you've done nothing to deny it; even admitting to it to some extent.
Also if you actually read my post thoroughly you would see that I said "Even, based on what DC said". That seems to indicate that I learned of Ice being invited from something DC said in a previous post.
However, I will agree with you; I wouldn't want Mario in my tribe either. That fact that Ice ever let him into his tribe makes me want to vomit.
You cannot claim that the player is disloyal if you haven't earned the person's loyalty. If you don't teach/help/guide him, if you do not listen to him, if you just used him as a source of support troops and don't give him anything other than having the right to call himself 'A Member of the great big tribe!', he isn't going to have any loyalty to you or your tribe. That's been the constant feedback that we got from people who left your tribe. AOD didn't support them, they only got requests for support troops and donations.
If you don't want your members leaving your tribe, take care of them and earn their loyalty. Don't assume that just because they got the AOD badge they are going to be happy in your tribe even if you treat them like sh!t.
I must say I couldn't help but respond to this part of your statement since it sounds familiar to me, considering it is what my former ZHA leaders were saying when they left AOD and joined WTF. I have never felt compelled to post on the forum before until this moment because I know that there are always two sides to a story. People are making like it was demanded of them specifically to send out support troops when that couldn't be further from the truth. Everyone was asked to help support members that needed it not just one specific person or groups of people. As far as donations, people gave what they could, no one was ever told you had to donate a specific amount. What gets me most is that when all is said and done, this world won't be won based on a battle where the best tribe won, it will be based on the politics more than anything else and considering this is supposed to be a war game I just think that's pretty sad. Both tribes have lost members because of this, members who just up and quit the world all together, some may have even quit the game. You can't look at things from a one sided point of view.
I'm confused, when ZHA was merging you were one of the members talking about having to support the core and asked me to walk you through how to recall them all. You were afraid that if you left tribe all of your support troops would disappear. I restrained from laughing and calmly walked you through it but you ended up staying with AOD thinking this was some mass 9/11 conspiracy or something, I might still have the messages.
Also... plot twist: more people in AOD want you rimmed than WTF, so to reiterate, internal issues, not enemy issues.
Hmmm I don't recall messaging you and if I did it doesn't really matter, but to address some of the things you said, I will say this when ZHA merged with AOD I was still very new to this game and even when they chose to merge with WTF I was just starting to learn how to be in charge of ops. I don't think it was so much that I was afraid of anything it was more like I had a feeling that the entire move was based on things that were not true and it was later confirmed to me that I was right. Your tribe claims that you are supposed to help, teach and guide your members yet you clearly don't do that if you had to restrain yourself from laughing at any question I may or may not have asked you. I am not embarrassed to admit that much of what I know now I didn't know then nor am I embarrassed to admit that I am still learning. The most important thing I learned is that this is a game, bottom line. Maybe in real life war situations of course politics are involved but they have no place in a game. So to reiterate what I was stating in my original post, this world will not be won on the merit of whose tribe was ultimately the best but more on other "political" facts. Oh and I have to say that your plot twist is a little on the weak side, if you are trying to plant any seeds of distrust in my head, I already know more than you think I do.
Newsflash: If anyone wants me rimmed, I don't really care and they are more then welcome to try, I do believe some of your members tried before and failed.
I'm really not the type of person who judges people, so I don't know where in my post you would say that I am judging anyone. I am simply stating a fact that with all the so called politics involved this world will simply be won on that not on who was the better tribe. I noticed a long time ago that you enjoy being argumentative especially on the forums, I however would rather not because I believe actions speak louder than words. With that being said perhaps we shall meet on the field of battle one of these days. You take care