I hate them, you gotta be a coiner in order to survive in there. I went there, grew and had a good stack of defense in a villa. A coiner with 3 villas started coming after ne and I figured it wouldn't be too hard to noble him out, but I killed the same nuke 4 times over before he finally killed my defensive stack. He sent the nuke from the same villa. It was destroyed and then he sent it again about 6 hours after the first time. Then another bottle 8 hours and it gets sent again, then a day before he uses it again and kills the rest of ny defense. He made some serious coining as he had recreated a 5k axes, 1500 lc, and 2k ma in a matter of hours. He sent no arms which is why I killed it the first three times, but it was not enough. I tried to nuke him myself and hit what looked like his defensive stack (over 15k def units) and sent nobles accompanied by 500 axes each while I also nuked his other villa that did not have the nuke and cleared all that def. Noble took only 1.5 hours and I was on the edge and so was he, he was easily 4+ hours away from any support and he rebuilt his der stack in the 1.5 hour time frame. I spied his troops when my nobles died, got a green report of over 20k def units. He easily picked me off from there since I did not have coins and I haven't played ever since.