I'd like to point out, everything negative you've said about AoD has been pure opinion without fact. I have 9 villages, all of them cleared and nobled myself. Also to sit there and say we recruited everyone in the core, no, we most certainly nobled everyone out of our provinces, but we were definitely not sitting there at an advantage at any time in the core. I think the real beef you need to address is all the other tribes that are barb munching the hell out of the world outside the core. Omerta (surprise!), TWS, ORT, -$-, just to name a few that i've noticed noble barbs.You mean they robbed, pillaged, and burned a few players before absorbing anyone decent? And you're right, they didn't recruit to be double, the tribe was pre-planned as your friend so in-eloquently explained. And of course TLI which from what I understand was pretty much already AOD in the first place.