Weldon, I respect you but when did I ever say I was a "great player" I've never claimed to be one in this thread or any world I've played lol. You started late so lemme give you a recap of the early world. Me and Salesman started in the south far from any NIB help really (pretty sure Cokky was even kinda skeptical of having us since we were so far from everyone else) . Sales had 3 enemies around him and I was 1 province to the south. We recruited Raygor and Captain Kumquat (my favorite traitor) and then got Thicc Lad and Ramdonname to start helping us clean up our areas (we needed help after Jalter coined in to sales' province and Emperor started coining trebs early game...). After we secured our provinces we immediately moved on to Jalter, and then we got to the red wall of ElJefe. He was the only real resistance we faced in the south. Thicc did a damn good job organizing everything (Don't read this thicc your ego is already too big) and with some minor setbacks it was done. Jefe started calling Sales a cheater because his trains got a lot tighter than they initially were. That's when I started to dislike him. Before that in my mind he was just ambie's buddy who was gonna give us a good fight. I said early in this thread that the south is trash and that's just the truth (bound to happen when you have too many members) . People don't scout and they let their OT sit in their villages to get cleared in the night. The only reason I came in to this thread to trash Jefe is because I was sick of seeing him hang around in these forums and talk trash after I had watched him make up excuse after excuse in his messages with sales and accuse sales of cheating. I'll always be first to congratulate you when you outplay me, heck that's how Salesman and I met on B. But Jefe couldn't seem to do that. Jefe is a good player, yes. Better than me? Probably. I would sure hope so since this is only my 3rd world (and I intend to take an elongated break after this world cause as we all know this game can be a life sucker). But its not like "powerhouse" NIB carried us in the south. I'll admit ambie coached me on how to properly be an offensive player (MORE RAMS). But Thicc literally took the reigns of command down south a couple weeks in to his first venture in to this game and started out playing some veterans. Initially some of his plans were sloppy but he ironed it out quick with help from sales, ambie, and myself. And I was glad to help out in any plays he made. Overall I honestly wish the "B" word didn't happen because the south might've been more fun to fight for and 'He Who Shall Not Be Named' made a great villain(in my eyes). Plus me and Thicc could've had such a good time trash talking him. I wish you hadn't quit because I was looking forward to going head to head with you. But it was a thing of beauty watching 35 red villages in one province turn blue in such a short amount of time. As for the whole top 20 thing, yeah in points. Points aren't really the best measurement of who is top 20. I'm intentionally keeping my points low for morale purposes. Anyways this whole thing should've been over after me and Jefe's spectacle. Later, and best of luck to ya.